he believes that education is an economic imperative, but there is talk about getting rid of the deduction for student loan interest. >> really. >> that's a big one for a lot of people just out of school. >> this would be tremendously bad pr when we're looking at students with debt loads over $25,000. so this interest -- >> that's the average now? >> yes. and if you make, though -- this is really target towards students that are starting out and trying to get on their feet. you cannot take this deduction if you make over $60,000. so let's say they pull that back. and they pull it to you need to make $40,000. if you make more than that, you don't get it. i understand. but this would be a really bad whammy to basically students looking to get ahead. it is a big deduction for them and saves them hundreds if not thousands every year. >> if we go over the cliff, there's talk about what it would mean for unemployment benefits. again, the economy is doing a little better. the unemployment numbers have been a little better, but what's the impact? >> 2 million people -- >> 2 million would lose. >>